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hamas launches rockets and the israeli military stands read qua for a possible ground invasion. tonight, it's a cease fire around the corner? we'll go to gaza for the latest. then the humanitarian crisis on our borders. >> i saw 17-year-olds that looked more like a threat to coming into the united states. >> congress defeats a solution as some compare the crisis to an invasion. >> stop the invasion. into the united states. >> then, more shocking evidence of colleges covering up sexual assaults on campus. amid a growing fire-trol we take a look -- fire storm we take a look at why police are cut out of campus investigations across the country. >> plus, deep thoughts how to spend taxpayer money from dick cheney. >> turn around the military, ought to be our top priority for spending-not food stamps or
highways or anything else. "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. tonight, breaking news of a proposed cease fire to end the crisis the middle east. as the death toll in gaza nears 200 and the violence between israel and hamas threatens to spill past the borders, reaching los angeles and paris, in l.a. yesterday a federal homeland security officer opened fire after a truckful of propalestinan demonstrators showed up at a pro-israel rally resulting in a scuffle. the officer fired at least one shot, allegedly at the truck, has been placed on administrative leave. according to "the los angeles times" the police caught up with the vehicle and arrested the men inside, on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon. in paris on sunday, worshipers were trapped inside a synagogue for hours when, after a large, peaceful pro-palestinian march,
some number of protesters tried to force their way in with bats and chairs, according to the ap, clashing with security officers outside. although inside the synagogue were thankfully able to leave safely later in the day. this comes after a fire bomb was thrown into the synagogue in paris suburbs friday night. in israel, new report out today on one of the incidents that fueled the current crisis. the security service says three israeli suspects in the murder of palestinian team confessed to abducting and burning him alive in retaliation for the death of three israeli teens. an indictment expected to be filed by the end of the week, and the ongoing conflict continues to escalate with israel saying it shot down a drone from georgia sample the first time an hamas drone entered israely air space. ham mass militants continue to
fire rockets into israel that leist at least 115 over the last day, bringing the total up to more than a thousand since hostilities began a week ago. they have resulted in no deaths. >> israel continues its campaign of air strikes in georgia, hitting a mosque on saturday and a home for disabled where two people were killed, according to the palestinian health ministry, 186 palestinians have been killed in the conflict so far, including 30 women and 41 children. today for the first time in the most recent round of violence there are signs of a pop breakthrough with egypt stepping in to broker a cease fire. it would be in exchange for re-opening of border crossings. israel's cabinet it set to meet tomorrow to discuss the proposal. i spoke with nbc foreign
correspondent and i asked him about it's been received there. >> we heard initial reactions from the key palestinian factions, including both hamas and islamic jihad, and the indications are this cease fir while not be accepted. that's not the official position. there is still ongoing consultation, but based on the initial draft they have seen of the egyptian proposal, doesn't seem the palestinian factions and their representatives feel the cease fire meet their demand. they're very clear what it would take to put an to end the ongoing round of violence, and the cease fire is more of a status quo agreement than it is in terms of breaking any new ground and trying to achieve some -- achieve the key speaking points what the palestinian factions have been demanding? >> what are those demands. i understand some has to do with people who were put in prison in the wake of the three israeli students who were kidnapped and murdered, some who were released as part of a prior deal, and
hamas feels that was a violation of that prior deal. the in order to really get a sense of why this violence broke out and why hamas and palestinian factions here have taken this position, you do have to go back a few weeks and put it in that context. now, in the wake of the killing of the three jewish teenagers, israel went on a massive manhunt in the west bank, arrests hundreds of palestinian mix cal activists, including members of the hamas in the west bank, and also demolished the home of some alleged suspects that no evidence was put forthagainst them. that really pushed hamas and others to the brink. they felt there was nothing that was happening in accordance with any kind of justice or law and that has been a key opinion throughout this conflict, their cessation of hostilities would only come with both a cessation of hostilities on the israeli side but at the same time
release of senior members of hamas in the west bank who have not been charged with any crime but simply arrested to put pressure on some members of hamas who the israeli government believes were behind the killing of the three jewish teenagers. that has not been stipulated in the egyptian agreement, and more importantly beyond that, one of the central issue that palestinian factions have been fighting for, for several years, is a complete lifting of the seeming and blockade imposed on gaza since as far back as 2007, which really restricts the free movement of goods and people in and out of the territory. they want the siege not eased, not temporarily opened, but entirely lifted and that certainly is not on the table in this agreement. >> you have been in gaza over the weekend. an incredibly deadly weekend, barrage of israeli air strikes, 178 dead. many civilians. what it is like to be there under this assault? >> i actually had a chance to cover gaza for several years.
this is the third war, if you will, i've covered here in the gaza strip between israel and various palestinian factions. this particular round of conflict had a very different flavor to it. you certainly feel the toll that the siege and the impact of the previous conflicts have taken on the people here. the infrastructure of gaza has been decimated for years, palestinians have been suffering as a result of that blockade. you see that exacerbated by the past few days of the fighting, and that's taken a toll on the people her psychologically. you get a sense there is a sense of deflation among ordinary palestinians, but at the same time there is a very strong sense of resilience when people are pushed to their brink and their back is up against the wall. we have seen a very different side of the militant factions demonstrate new capabilities, longer range rockets, strong sense of defiance among the factions. their capabilities have improved, and that has raised a
certain degree of confidence among palestinian people, but no doubt, there's a sense of exhaustion here on the ground in gaza. >> nbc news foreign correspondent, stay safe. thank you. >> thank you. >> it's been two years since israel and hamas last traded fire as they've done over the past week, and the death toll was similarly lopside last time around with 167 palestinians and six israelis killed. back then the hostilities were halted thanks to a cease fire brokered by then egyptian profit muhammad morsi o the muslim brotherhood. it was taken as a sign that egypt would continue to play an important role on behalf of middle east peace even with the muslim brotherhood in power. today that picture is very different. morsi has been deposed and sent to jail. the muslim brother had has been
outlawed and 200 of its members sentenced to death. egypts military dictatorship wants little to do with hamas, so egypt is stepping in again, it's not clear whether now as the leverage or the power of persuasion to bring both parties to the table. in the u.s., perhaps the only other country that could play that role, there seems to be little appetite for negotiation. although president obama offered last week to brokery cease fire, congress is advancing a resolution to express its unilateral support for israel's actions. senator john mccain had this to say. >> there's no moral equivalency here. israel is being attacked by hundreds of rockets. a third of their population has a 60-second warning, so the restraint of the israelis in my view, is admirallable. >> a few u.s. lawmaked actually called for a cease fire. one is downing me now,
congressman jim moran of virginia. you are on record calling for a cease fire and there aren't a lot of members of congress calling for cease fire, why is that. >> israel that he overwhelming support of the american congress. there are few of us who feel that cease fire is the only way to go, and it's in israel's, as well as the palestinians' interest to have a cease fire. lives are of value, and there are going to be too many innocent palestinians killed in this. i don't think that there are going to be many israelis. we have helped israel secure the iron dome. and really these rockets that are being fired from the gaza strip, they're fairly feckless. they fall and land and that is generally unoccupied but nevertheless they are a threat, and i suspect that hamas could kill people with them.
they certainly would. but israel clearly has the capacity to kill more gazans and i think they will as long as rockets continue be fired from the gaza strip. so a cease fire seems to be in everyone's interests. the fact is that israel only generates more hatred, not just from hamas but from the arab and muslim community throughout the world. i suspect with what is going on, with the possible exception of egypt, perhaps, and certainly from the palestinians' standpoint they're going to continue to lose lives and many of them are going to be innocent women and children. so, yes, think a cease fire is in order. i don't think that hamas has much leverage with egypt, though. and i'm a little surprised they turned down the first offer. they want egypt to open up the border, the tunnels, with the gaza strip. why would egypt do that? they say hamas is affiliated with the muslim brotherhood, and i think properly so, and
certainly hamas has supported the opposition to president assad's government in syria, which means that hezbollah isn't going to support hamas, nor is syria, and so hamas has pretty well been isolated and i don't think they have a whole lot of leverage, and they're willing to obviously sacrifice a lot of civilians in this, but i don't see what they gain, but i don't think it's necessarily in israel's long-term interest, either. they can't kill all of the people in the gaza and they can't eliminate hamas. they can teach them a lesson and their objective is long-term stability in gaza but i'm not sure that's achieved when you have as many deaths as has occurred from this recent conflict. >> congressman i want to get your reaction to something benjamin netanyahu said on friday. he thick think the israeli people understand there cannot be a situation under any agreement in which we relinquish
security control of the territory west of the river jordan, the west bang, it that benjamin netanyahu saying there is no possible of a two-state solution? >> that's what he suggesting, i'm not sure that he really believes that. i don't think he is going to be the prime minister of israel forever. at some point there has to be a two-state solution, or you're going to have this revenge of the cradle where the dim graphics -- demographics are going to prevent israel from having one state that elects a democratic government that isn't palestinian. the palestinian growth rate souse much greater. so they need a two-state solution. what netanyahu is saying, i'm not sure he really believes that or that will be israel's long-term policy. >> congressman jim moran of virginia, always a pressure. republican congressman explains what the state of texas is entitled to do in order to stop the border cries.
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homeland security, which i promising expedited deportations for families who recently crossed the border, announced 40 adults adult children who recently crossed into the u.s. were officially flown back to honduras. it appears to be an effort by the administration to deal with the rising invective on the right and the elevated political conversation, directed at the unaccompanied migrant children and sometimes women showing up at the border. we have seen protests in california, michigan, and texas, around the mere possibility of migrant children being held in local facilities. today, another incident. graffiti on a proposed shelter for unaccompanied minors in maryland, reading no illegals here. the white house is promising to provide due process for the unaccompanied children in the country. we talked to one young woman who made the journey from hon tour. , in. >> are you worried you will be
deported? >> translator: yes. because i arrived to this country without papers, without any permission, i arrived just to save my own life, so i can continue my dream, so i can help my family. >> if your deported? >> it would be a tragedy. it would be a certain death for me. everything that happened to me since -- everything happened to me in my life, i would just know that would be the last day. >> would you die if you returned? >> of -- >> translator: of course, i would do. >> joining me hose say and very proud to be a colleague of yours. that was a remarkable interview. i thought that was very important to put that -- the stakes for the people coming here back in the center of the
conversation as people talk about expedited deportation or -- how quickly can we get these kids out of here. these children have real claims to asylum. according to the law, and they should be able -- they're entitle to go before some magistrate and make their claim that they are entitle to assue him because they'll be killed if they return to their country. >> look, these three countries, honduras, the most violent country in the world, el salvador has a massive guerrilla and gang problem -- i should say gang problem -- and guatemala as well. and then add to guatemala and add to honduras you have the narcocartels out of the mexico seeping into these three central american countries to do their dirty work. so you have maria -- maria is just one of tens of thousands of kids and unaccompanied minors and women that have been
crossing over since last october. her voice is not unusual. you talk to the people coming over the border. and let me ask you and our viewers. so what would you do if your home, like maria, and the gangs come to your house and kill your brother and then they come back and say you're next, you're our property, or decide not to come with us and we'll do to you what we did to your brother. what would you do? what would you feel is necessary to do? the things she had to go through to get to this country are gut-wrenching, the most horrible things a human being can do to another human being she had to go through, and yet all she is asking for is for the opportunity to stay to fulfill her dream, and the united states has a quota of responsibility of what is going on in central america. >> there has been a rising tide of kind of invective leveled at these kids.
and -- i just want to play a little sound of louis gohmert from texas describing what happened. >> old english dictionary defines invasion among the definitions is, invading with armed forces, but it's any encroachment or intrusion, the onset or advent of something harmful, as in a disease, path logically the spread of cancer from its point of origin into surrounding tissues. >> what too you make of that rhetoric? >> chris, i have no idea what he said. i just don't. i don't know what he is trying to accomplish. i don't know what he said. maybe it's a language barrier in me but i have no idea what he is trying to accomplish. i tell you this.
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running out of money because congress has not increased the gas tax in 21 years. if the trust fund runs dry it would mean a lot of lost jobs as the president pointed out this month. >> if this congress does not act by the end of the summer, the highway trust fund will run out. won't be any money there. all told, nearly 700,000 jobs could be at risk next year. that would be like congress threatening to lay off the entire population of denver or seattle or boston. that's a lot of people. >> don't worry, congress has come up with a solution, one that could only come from our united states congress. the plan involves letting corporations underfund their pension systems. yes, i know. that sounds crazy. nonetheless, a bill to do just that was considered in the house and this afternoon the white house endorsed the house bill as
a temporary fix to keep the trust fund solvent through next year. now, sure, seems nuts, we'll complain it. but if you want a silver lining consider this. it could be much worse if a certain former vice-president were in charge. >> absolutely. turn around the whole trend of this united states military. that ought to be our top pry fort for spending, not food stamps or highways or anything else. >> oning me now to explain this, national correspondent for in the "new york times." >> we won't raise the gas tax. re need money for the trust fund and the slugs is allowing -- the solution is allowing companies to put less money in their pensions. >> then they report the pension are more profitable because they said they had less pension expense. >> so if i had to put in $100 and you have to put in 80 i take those 20 bucks as profit. >> so yaw pay tax on the profit and the government collects a little more in corporate income tax and puts the money in the
highway trust fund. the companies will have to put the money into the pension fund but it falls odd the ten year budget window congress uses to decide if the bug is balanced, it doesn't count. >> you're not creating revenue. you're pulling revenue from the future into the present. >> exactly. because of the ten-year thing. the amount of revenue this will generate over ten years is enough to fill the highway trust fund back up for five more months. so this buys us five months and then in january we have to come back and find a new gimmick. we can't use the pension thing because we already used it. >> the funny thing is when you cover congress, where everything has to be paid for, this thing known on capitol hill as pension smoothing is everybody's favorite gimmick paying for. can we do pension smoothing? when you talk to people about this nobody really opposes it. they just want to make sure it's spent on what they want. democrats want to use this to
extend unemployment benefits or something in the senate having to do with a fund for coalminers who are owed payments. republicans proposed to use this to repeal the medical device tax. >> the big thing here, dehaven't raised he gas tax. that strikes me -- their their arguments against the gas tax and who gets hit bay gas tax, but that's the problem. given that we haven't raised the gas tax in 20 years, that means it's fallen by 39% in real terms and cars have gotten more fuel efficient. so the gas tax is like a user feel. you pay for the road. >> because you're driving on the road. so gas tax should go up because you need to collect more per gallon because people use fewer gallons of gas for the amounts of roads they're using. a lot of states have not kept up with their own gas taxes so we have had starvation of highway
funding at the federal level and the state level. >> this is -- heritage is urging lawmakers to vote no. someone made the point -- i forget where to apologies to that person -- part of the reason we have seen some good job numbers its we have been gone for long time without a crisis. we have managed to go without a possible threat of default, shutdown, some sort of nonsense, this could bring that streak to an end. >> i think we probably will not end up with the highway fund running dry. we'll do this nonsense -- >> bullet it's bet -- but it's better than letting it go -- >> somebody has to pay the pensioners and that means taxpayers. >> this is a key point. everyone talks about this thing, you're just moving money from the future to now. but there's time in between in which they could go bankrupt, and if their pension is underfunded someone has to pay out. >> the rules came out in the
1970s when the studebaker auto company went bankrupt and left workers without the pensions. the federal government said we better insure them but we have to make them -- we have done pretty well over the rules on this, except the thing they're talking about doing now, we dead it in to the 2012 highway bell. so we have already let corporations underfund pensions through 2014. this is extending the period through 2017 in order to pick up more revenue. >> the most perfect little window into what it takes to get the basic mechanisms of any kind of governance happening in washington. there's this idea that everything has to be paid for, austerity maina, spend the -- the way we deal with is gimmickry. >> everybody in congress knows this a fake pay for, and john boehner's justification for why rearview mirror republics would -- now that he has a thing he wants, it's a real -- his side is using it. >> thank you, man.
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when i came forward, i felt so good because i was told that people had my back. they believed me and that the right thing would be done. to look back on that now it's just like, why would you say that? how could you say that? >> anna, and last september as an 18-year-old college freshman, she reported she was sexually assaulted by members of the school's football team. he story investigated by "the new york times" is a peek behind the curtain how all kinds of
universities and colleges handle these cases. a sexual assault nurse who examined anna at a local hospital found blunt force trauma indicating intercourse with multiple partners or forceful intercourse but it took the college just 12 days to investigate the rape report, hold a hearing, and clear the football players. anna had decided against talking to police and chose to handle the matter through the school. her case was adjudicated by a here to member permanent, the human reese sours, assistance psychology director and the director of the campus book store. the chief fundraiser, also helped oversee the school's handling of sexual assaults. the two functions are now separate. annaanna's hearing proceeded bee the rape kit findings were determined. and the college releases a
statement in reaction to the reporting that reads in part: the college disagree with the reporter's interpretation of event and portrayal of the colleges, its student. anna is just one of thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of young women across the country who are survivors or sexual assault on the campus. there's been a flood of media scrutiny, a white house summit, and a subcommittee released a jaw-dropping report. more than 40% of the nation's colleges and universities have not investigated a single sexual assault case over the last five years. yet some of the same institutions have reported incidents of sexual violence to the department of education during the same period of time. senator claire mccaskill says legislation is in the works to improve the handles of these cases by schools. joining me now, an organizer, know your nine, and a political
reporter the daily beast. this case in the times -- front page of the times, crazy case but not necessarily super atypical, right? >> unfortunately this is just one of many colleges. they are systematically failing survivors and not handling sexual assault. they're seeing it as a p.r. problem rather than a safety problem and holding students conditionable and protecting other stunts. >> some of the conflicts of interest, the three people adjudicating the case who don't seem to be qualified to be adjudicating that. are those common themes you find across schools? >> yes, definitely. some schools administrators don't even know what sexual assault is, so we're having people making findings about who is being held responsible but they're not being properly trained across the board. >> oliva, you have been reporting on this, and seems to me -- obviously there's sexual assault on campus for a long time, and very high levels of it, i would even dare say. the issue is broken out, i would
say, in the past 12 months. what is driving that. >> social media plays a really big role. the more you see survivors come forward and share stories like anna did, the more that other survivors say, okay, i can come forward. i don't need to keep this a secret. >> reminds me of when i covered the catholic church and the allegations -- not also -- pattern of sexual misconduct, sexual abuse of minors in the church, the same thing, shame and silence that kept the whole thing seek yet and inside the institution, as soon as the wall broke down and people came forward and said, oh, yes, father so and so did this to me, and someone else says the same thing, and you're getting a group effect where there's a kind of empowerment happening across women across schools. >> i think colleges are definitely taking advantage of the silence around sexual violence and survivors were not able to communicate with each other before. so now we have facebook, twitter, list serve so now we're able --
>> there is a community, are people exchanging -- >> yes. we're exchanging aclutiveists and best practices and teaching about title ix. >> explain what title ix. >> it's a federal law that guarantees gender equity on college campuses so that includes properly responding to sexual violence and also properly preventing it from happening at the school. >> why is the case this is being done, all investigated internally and not by police departments and prosecutors? >> there's no legal obligation -- unless the state, like ohio, if you know about a felony, you have to go to law enforcement. >> that's a state law -- >> a state law that forces you to do that, schools don't have the obligation to go to law enforcement. so you have mosque trial basically at colleges, students -- you have mock tieds, students investigating students.
>> this person did something to me that was a felony, could put somebody away for 15-20 years, this is an extremely serious crime, and the response is, let's get in a room with some with some administrators and figure out if this person should be suspended. it seems bonkers to me. >> sorry. i think we really need to make sure that, like, schools are federally required to handle sexual violence. they're required by law. and a lot of survivors are not comfortable going to the police. >> okay. >> right? the criminal justice system is not really adequate and properly addressing rape. >> this is a key point, right? my knee jerk reaction to the stories has been, where are the cops? then it's like, well, what's to say? that a police department and prosecutor in a small town, or even a big city, are going to be better equipped to deal with it. >> a lot of survivors and advocates say, no, we've heard too many horror stories. a lot of college incidents are between two people who know each other. i think police are much less likely to really take it seriously. but at the same time, if you go
through the school process, they can't find you guilty of rape. they can't find you guilty of a felony. they can only find you guilty of varying degrees of sexual misconduct. >> plus there's a real problem for people who are repeat offenders. this is a problem in the church. even if someone gets suspended or transfer to another school, like, that person who committed this heinous act, right, is now going to be around other people without people knowing, like, that strikes me as a real problem as well. >> repeat offending is very likely, too. this is something that really needs to be figured out. >> there's also been research that rapists if they know they'll be held accountable for their actions, are actually less likely to commit on college campuses. we need schools to take the initiative and punish these people. >> criminalization model of prosecutors and police isn't the fix, right? isn't like, go to the cops, that's going to fix it. it has to be a functioning system inside schools. i want to talk to someone who was around when title ix was being drafted, about how we got to the point we're at. wagatwe wanjuki, olivia nuzzi. thank you both.
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my rapist still goes to my school. and still is on campus. >> just one woman's story on the campus of one american university. colleges and universities are legally required to address sexual assault and sexual harassment under title ix, the federal civil rights law famous for ushering gender equality in sports, but created to protect people from gender discrimination in education writ large. joining me now, dr. bernice sandler. "the new york times" has called her the godmother of title ix. what's the thinking behind title ix? >> there was and still is a lot of sex discrimination against women and sometimes also against men. it is a civil rights law and it is -- sexual assault, if the college does not handle it, they're violating a civil rights law. we don't often think of title ix as a civil rights law. this is like a constitutional right.
and title ix, when title ix was passed, there was no word for sexual assault or acquaintance rape. we didn't have a word for sexual harassment. so, it took awhile after title ix was passed in '72 until people realized it covers sexual assault and that institutions have a federal obligation to be sure they deal with it in a very fair manner. and in a prompt way and with equity. >> so in 1972, this passed, federal institutions, education institutions of higher learning have a federal requirement under this as a matter of civil rights law to deal with sexual assault and sexual harassment on their campuses or face being in say lake of title ix, is that right? >> that's right. when title ix was passed, we didn't have a word for acquaintance rape or a word for sexual harassment, either. those words come about in '75, '76 and supreme court has said sexual harassment is on a spectrum and the end of the
spectrum is sexual assault and rape. >> so, i am correct in understanding that this sort of internal procedures that colleges and universities have come up with to deal with allegations of sexual assault or sexual harassment on their campuses are products of the title ix revolution, essentially, to stay in compliance with title ix. they have to deal with these internally in some fashion. >> yes, they have an obligation to prevent as well as deal with problems when they occur. that's required by law. it's not optional. and many of the schools, unfortunately, are concerned about their reputation. do you want to send your daughter to a school where there's been a rape? well, tell me of a school that has had none and i'll sail there's no reporting there, because we know that somewhere between 1%, 4%, of all college students are facing sexual -- have been sexually assaulted or face attempted sexual assault. >> 64 colleges under investigation for their handling of sexual assaults under title ix. given what we've seen in how
colleges and universities have developed procedures for handling this, what is your assessment of the success of title ix? it seems the procedures they put in place are not getting the job done. >> the procedures that they're putting in place are mainly very bad. they're not prepared to handle it. they handle it as a -- under school disciplinary, judicial reviews in the college, and not seeing it as a civil rights violation. they're also concerned about the reputation. and that's been a real problem because it's better for the school, better with quotes around it, better for the school if there is no -- if there are not sexual assaults on campus, so, the school is controlling the problem and should be controlling it, but they have to do it in a fair and equitable way, which very few are, if any. >> seems like there's a lot of room, tremendous amount of room for improvement. dr. bernice sandler, god mother title ix. thank you so much for joining me tonight. really appreciate it.
>> thank you. >> that is "all in" for this evening. a very happy bastille day and a very happy anniversary to you, babe. i love you. "the rachel maddow show" starts with steve kornacki filling in. >> good evening, chris. thanks for that. and thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour. rachel has the night off. i'll start by asking if you remember the kiss. in case you haven't heard the story, it starts back in november 2004. it's when george w. bush was re-elected as president over john kerry. in the following february, that's february of 2005, bush was set to give his first state of the union address since being re-elected. obviously this was a big deal. the first speech to set the course of his second term as president. it was february 2nd, 2005. that was the date to be exact. after bush finished delivering that speech, that state of the union address, he made his way up along the aisle in the house chamber and toward the exits. the scene you've seen on tv every year, it seems. those members of congress, they reach out, try to shake his